Vista: Whose reality do you believe?
section: windows, for your questions: KezNews forum, 26.7.2008
Tip: Click here to update all your PC's outdated driversThe same day that Forrester Research is touting yet another of a growing number of studies claiming Vista is failing to gain traction in the enterprise, Microsoft is claiming just the opposite.
In a presentation at Microsoft’s annual Financial Analyst Meeting in Redmond on July 24, company officials outlined their bullish projections and claims for Windows Vista. But it wasn’t the facts and figures that garnered the most attention from attendees here; instead, it was a video of a focus group of Vista skeptics who changed their originally negative opinions of Microsoft’s latest Windows release once they had a chance to see it demonstrated.
Microsoft told the focus group participants that they were seeing a demo of “Mojave,” (why not “Midori”?) an as-yet-unannounced Windows release (which was actually Windows Vista). The participants, a number of whom admitted they had no direct hands-on experience with Vista, said they were jazzed about Mojave and would definitely use it once it was released.
The Mojave demo was used to back Microsoft’s contention that once they had a chance to try Vista for themselves, customers liked the product.
Forrester Research issued new study results today claiming that 18 months after release, “Vista is still struggling to gain a foothold in large companies.” Forrester called Vista the “new Coke.”
Forrester said that Vista use remains in the single digits (”just under nine percent according to Forrester’s month-by-month desk-top analysis of 50,000 of our enterprise clients across 2,300 companies. That’s up from six percent in January of this year, but far short of the 87 percent penetration for Windows XP.”)
Meanwhile, Bill Veghte, Senior Vice President for Online Services and Windows Business Group, told FAM attendees today that Vista’s uptake among business users is solid. He said Vista enterprise sales were up 20 percent and renewal rates for Software Assurance among business users were greater than 80 percent. (Not surprisingly, there were no stats in Veghte’s presentation about what percentage of business users are downgrading to XP, one of their “benefits” under the Software Assurance program.)
The answer to whether Vista is growing among enterprise users is “an emphatic yes,” Veghte said.
Veghte said that the higher end of the mid-market also is beginning to upgrade more rapidly to Vista.
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the test group was carefully selected from the idiots keznews. haha
look at all the people who trash talk vista who've never even used it to do any real
tasks! those same people mindlessly take others' advice to stay away from vista, when
some of them might actually end up liking it if they only tried it out for themselves. not
to defend vista, but the moral of the story is: don't judge a windows by the aero hahaha
tried them... from home basic to ultimate... there was no 'flash in the pan'. we'll
keep xp professional for now and have another look in a couple of years.
they could go either way with how bloated the kernel will be, but i ain't buying a new
computer just to run windows 7 that's for sure!
mocro$oft wouldn't have to keep on trying to 'prove' vi$ta was a worthy successor to
xp if it naturally was.
vi$ta is a digusting os and micro$oft know it! i think
windows 7 is going to be here quicker than people anticipate, because micro$oft need to
get the vi$ta disgrace behind them as soon as possible.
it was same old talk with xp, now we get the same talk with vista, time you vista bashers
f-uck off. those who bash vista have crappy hardware anyway.
vi$ta spyware has been out for two years soon, and anyone with any intelligence have
still not downgraded from xp. the talk about xp lasted for nowhere near the amount of time
as it has with vi$ta, so stop lying iq!
hardware is another excuse the vi$ta
sychophants use, when it has nothing to do with hardware. many people have decent harware,
but still don't let that overbloated, spyware anywhere near their computers.
vi$ta really is a mess where the masses amount of redundent code is concerned, not to
memtion all the calls to worthless routines, that are just monitering you and sying on
you.
people like iq don't care about crap coding and resource hogging
redundent code, they areeasily bought with a few new desktop icons!
vista since sp1 has been a revelation. get some decent hardware and visat will fly. pre
sp1 was a nightmare but give credit where credit is due....vista has been turned around.
i used vista sp1 for a long time and concluded that it's more heavy than i needed. upon
installation (sp1) it runs fine but after installing new drivers , devices , some
essential utilities , updating from windows update etc, it runs like shit... i don't
really see much difference by running default windows them either running a dreamscene
background. my pc is an old one , in deed , p4 3 ghz 2 gb of 400 ram , and a geforce 5900
gs the last agp type.
yeah, all you vista haters keep living in your fantasy world of believing vista is so
awful, while the rest of us who actually use it, like it very much.
what is sad
is that so many lies get spread about it, and i am talking about blatant outright lies.
directx 10 is another micro$oft bully boy tactic to persuade people into vi$ta, but no
games actually use dx10 from the ground up, and the difference between crysis on dx10 and
dx9 is not even noticable to the human eye.
the games developers cannot code
their games exclusivly for dx10 because top gamers all use xp which uses dx9! the only way
micro$oft can bully eveyone onto crappy vi$ta is by making xp not available anymore on new
computers and withdraw support etc for it.
get off the net and vistaaaaaaaaa... heeehawww
vi$ta is a crap in a cling-wrap, consists of multi layered packaging to cover up a sham.
it's obvious that there are some people here that also have adopted the "hate vista"
and "i'll wait for windows 7" attitude without ever giving vista a try.
i
truly feel sorry for those that are waiting because when win 7 is released and it isn't
going to be a whole lot different from vista.
there were a whole lot of people
bashing xp when it first came out, and a lot of the bashing is for the same reasons that
people bash vista today. and the xp bashing went on for a couple of years after xp was
released.
for those that have actually tried vista and disliked it or had
problems, how many beta drivers were you using? how many of those old xp tweaks did you
apply? is your system really vista compatible?
there are too many things that can
cause vista to have problems, but there are also a lot of things that can cause xp or even
macs to have problems.
it's just become too easy for people to hate vista, and
that's a real shame because vista really isn't all that bad!
as for those
that are bashing vista, and have never even tried it, what right do you have to judge
something that you probably haven't even seen in real life except when you walk down the
aisle at circuit city, or best and see the displays?
are you judging it because of a
friend of a friend of a neighbor across the street whose first cousin seen his
girlfriend's sister try it and she had problems running it and that person told you about
it? because if you still haven't at least tried vista, then you have no right to sit
there and try to say that vista is a bunch of garbage!!!
well i dont like to burst dragonone's bubble, but i have tried vista, infact i have a
rig dedicated to it at home. if it wasnt for the fact that the pc belongs to work, id
have removed vista and replaced it with anything else.
coding wise the dx10
concept (as one of the chaps above said) is a bullyboy tactic at best, and at worst a
horrendous lack of foresight.
i have really tried to like vista and to get
the functionality from it that i expect from a modern machine, ive failed. ive yet to
find any merit or advantage in vista over xp and in terms of productivity i can get more
from opensuse, or even (god help me for saying this) xp.
i am neither a linux
nor ms fanboy, i just want something that is reliable and productive. is that too much to
ask?
i will continue to bash away with vista and im sure in a few years
(provided it doesnt go the way of millenium) it will be as stable as xp. do i want to be
a guinea pig until then, reporting bugs and bitching on forums? hell no. why should life
be anymore griefy than it already is?
sorry quick addition.
a question has been bugging me, why is ms talking about and
releasing betas of the next version of windows when shouldnt they be concentrating all
their efforts on vista, so that its users will get value for money after purchasing?
talking about and working on the next version seems a bit of an insult on the people who
taken the risk and gone with vista so early in its lifecycle.
with the current
economic doom and gloom people will be less inclined to purchase a new pc with
pre-installed vista. is this the reason ms are already working on windows 7? do they
realise that unlike when xp was released and users were forced to upgrade by having it
pre-installed on their machines, that this time around its not going to get the same
market penetration, and windows 7 will be released when the economy is stable again? -
just an idea.
let me get this straight: some of you folks buy a whole new pc to suit a new operating
system! what happened to buying a pc for what you need it for?
i have used
vista ultimate sp1...and its not worth what they're asking for. vista shouldn't be a
selling product. it should be kept as beta and away from the public.
there's a
lot of dumb things it does that still needs to be sorted out.
examples?
* leaving uac on, with a standard user account locks the desktop effects (like
menu/window fade) to enabled. no matter how many times you disable it, it'll reverse back
the changes! you need to disable uac, reboot, then disable the effects, then enable uac,
and then reboot again! the words "wtf?" pretty much sums it up.
* they
didn't put any effort into the "outbound filtering" of the windows firewall. microsoft,
despite all its near infinite resources in engineering and finance, comes up with this
half hearted effort! seriously, do they expect people to manage things when its
deliberately buried in an unnecessarily amount of mouse clicks?
* the ui isn't
even well thought out. this is especially true when you set it to "windows classic"
mode. its like the ui designer expected the user to be a 3 year old, mentally disabled
monkey.
* parental controls is the biggest joke. let's not even go there.
microsoft convincing the world to use vista is like a husband trying to convince his
wife that regular anal is fun and safe.
well, regular anal with women is actually fun and safe. you must be thinking about homo
stuff/fantasy of yours. ok, don't worry, we'll not repeat. oh, and the rest of your post
badly suks too. man, i understand a little bit more who the vista hatters are, now.
ffjo3, i think reperage fails to grasp the satire in your post. its typical of a
microsoft fanboy and theres no debating with it.
true to form of an ms fanboy,
not only do they try to sway the balance of an argument without considering both sides,
they also invariably have a poor grasp of spelling. the windows fanboy can be an
infuriating animal, they are not prepared to consider the legitimacy of anything else, as
they simply cant understand it.
by the way reperage, whats a windows hatter?
someone who makes windows hats? i think reperage you will find the word you are looking
for is "hater"
the main bottomline is, either you like vista or you don't.
if you don't
like vista, then don't use it. period!
if you like vista and want to continue
using it, then do it. period!
i myself have never had any problems out of it,
i'm not plagued with nag messages, i don't experience crashes that are the actual os's
fault.
vista runs smooth on my system, and i am very satisfied with it, but that's
my choice and i'm happy with it!
i can play games at a fast enough frame rate that
i'm very happy.
yes, i built this system with gaming, and using vista, in mind
and i haven't been disappointed by it at all.
however, even if i had stuck with xp,
i would've spent the same amount of money, got the same identical parts, and i would have
been just as satisfied with xp as i am with vista. but either way, it was my choice to
make and i made it.
dragonone, im pleased you mentioned games. not really being a gamesplayer (im a coder
by trade) i did have occasion to test oblivion on two indentical machines, one with xp and
one with vista.
the results were staggering, xp out-performed its identical
vista counterpart in every area. one could expect minor differences between exact same
spec machines due to manufacture/temp/location etc, but these differences were more than
just minor ones, the xp system ran oblivion atleast 34% faster.
this is the
reason i have a problem with the os, and people like yourself are lured into the upgrade
culture, with bells whistles and fancy gfx. ive got nothing against progress and nothing
against ms, however if you are going to release a piece of software, atleast provide value
for money for the end user, and not stunt the technology.
i have run quite a
few tests on the systems at work (mostly blitter type asm routines) and ive yet to get
vista outperforming xp on anything.
if theres an advantage to having vista over
xp, id love to hear it. is there anything vista can do better than xp? if there isnt, why
upgrade?
like i said, vista works for me, and i'm happy with it.
if it doesn't work for
you, then stick with xp, by all means!
go with what works for you.
also like i said, i would've used the same parts to build an xp machine that i used to
build this vista machine, i just chose to put vista on it, and i'm happy with it.
for me, it's more stable than xp ever was. like i said, "for me".
the point ive always believed in would be "right for you" and if thats your experience
then thats great and i am pleased youve had no problems.
but thats not the
issue, and not the point that is being made. it doesnt matter if vista is more stable
than xp on some machines or not. its the way that ms, a commercial company has decided to
release another new os, without getting full functionality out of an existing one. its
about ms adding extra features to an os, that appears to stunt modern technology in terms
of performance.
as i said, im not a games player, but i cannot understand why a
gamer would want to use an os that is going to reduce the potential performance of a
machine that youve spent your hard earned cash on.
you say vista is more stable
than xp ever was, but to be fair, have you tried xp on your new rig? if not then you
cannot answer that question properly.
the theory that you are working off, to
me is similar to someone buying a porche and then putting a 1.6 vw engine in it, with the
attitude "well, its reliable for me so im happy".
stability issues asside as
we can argue that point all day but what i would say is look at nearly every software
packages forum reporting vista problems that need workarounds or bug fixes.
i
am still waiting to hear this groundbreaking feature that vista offers over xp in order to
entice someone to upgrade. (and isnt that the point of an upgrade?)
i have to
work with vista purely because of dx10, so unfortunately i have to live with it. i dont
like it, and i think you'll find for every one happy customer like yourself there 10
others with issues.
maybe by using your theory of stability i should dust off
my old 486 and boot up windows 3.1. sure its not as quick as my current rig, but it sure
is reliable.
"vi$ta spyware has been out for two years soon, and anyone with any intelligence have
still not downgraded from xp. the talk about xp lasted for nowhere near the amount of time
as it has with vi$ta, so stop lying iq!
hardware is another excuse the vi$ta
sychophants use, when it has nothing to do with hardware. many people have decent harware,
but still don't let that overbloated, spyware anywhere near their computers.
vi$ta really is a mess where the masses amount of redundent code is concerned, not to
memtion all the calls to worthless routines, that are just monitering you and sying on
you.
people like iq don't care about crap coding and resource hogging
redundent code, they areeasily bought with a few new desktop icons!
"
i
tell no lies, we the exact same bs talk when xp was first released.
now it is the
same with vista, looks like people will never learn from history....
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