The Vista RAM puzzle: Is 2GB enough?
section: windows, for your questions: KezNews forum, 13.8.2007
A couple weeks ago, my buddy Dwight Silverman asked whether he should be tempted by low, low prices to bump the RAM in his Windows Vista machine from 2GB to 4GB.
He asks:
My problem is this: I want the RAM, but do I really need it? I seldom, if ever, use all the memory now in my PC — the RAM gauge I use as part of Yahoo Widgets seldom goes above 65 or 75 percent. I have no performance complaints. (I also use a 2-GB USB flash drive for Vista’s ReadyBoost, which helps.) Would spending $80 to kick my RAM up a single gigabyte to 3 GB be worth it? Would I be better off spending $160 and going to 4 GB?
I’ve got a lot of experience with different PC configurations, and I can say with confidence that 2GB is more than enough for even the most demanding business user. There are two important exception to that rule: If you use one or more virtual machines in the same session, you’ll benefit from as much RAM as you can install, and 2GB probably won’t be enough. You’ll also need (and want) the extra RAM if you run 64–bit Windows Vista, a topic I’ll get to shortly. First, let’s talk about that 2GB configuration.
I’ve used Vista on more than a dozen machines from at least six manufacturers. Currently, my working machines are an Asus Tablet PC and a Dell XPS 410 desktop, both with 2GB of memory. In more than a month of sometimes insanely heavy use with each one, I have never reached a state where either one performed unacceptably because it was gasping for RAM. It’s really, really difficult to use 2GB of RAM with any edition of Windows Vista. At the moment, as you can see from the Task Manager snippet on the right, I’m running 81 processes on this desktop PC, including the following:
* Two instances of Internet Explorer 7 with a total of 40 tabs open (note that this load would have brought the system to its knees if I hadn’t also increased the size of the desktop heap)
* Firefox 2.0.0.6 with five Ajax-heavy tabs in use
* Adobe Acrobat Standard
* Outlook 2007, with a 610MB OST file synching with an Exchange Server about 2000 miles away
* Two remote sessions, one to Windows Home Server (via its own console), the other to Windows Server 2008 (via Remote Desktop).
* OneNote, with 90MB of notebook files open
* Four Windows Sidebar gadgets
* Windows Media Player, connected to a library of 20,000 songs and pictures stored on a Vista-based media server in the living room
* 11 Windows Explorer windows representing local folders, network shares, searches, and bits of the Windows Control Panel like the Installed Programs list, Network and Sharing Center, and Sync Center
* A bunch of useful programs running in the background, including RoboForm, ClipMate, SnagIt, the Windows Home Server Connector, and Windows Live Messenger
* Oh, and I’m composing this in Windows Live Writer
That’s a lot of stuff, but I’m not even close to using up the 2GB of RAM installed on this machine. According to Task Manager, 1.44GB are in use by all processes from all users, including caches and indexing tasks and other system functions. From experience, I know I could open another half-dozen programs and rip a music CD and still not notice any change in performance.
If you use a similar mix of apps, you should see similar results. For that type of heavy multitasking, the bump from 1GB to 2GB has a clear impact and costs very little. But adding an extra 2GB beyond that doesn’t usually result in any noticeable improvement in performance or reliability.
As I noted earlier, there are two big exceptions to this general advice. The first is virtualization. If you run Linux or Windows (any version) in one or more virtual machines on the same PC, you’ll hit that 2GB ceiling sooner rather than later. In that case, you need extra RAM. You also need to join the second group and go to 64-bit Windows Vista, which can actually use all that RAM (with 32-bit Windows versions, you can only use roughly 3GB of RAM, regardless of how much is physically installed).
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Comments(13)
how about games???
let me see if i get this right, vista 32bit can implement and use 3gb of memory? or even
with 3gb will only 2gb register and be used?
vista 64bit is garbage, things do
not even work with the 64bit yet, talk about incomplete.
the 32-bit limit is 4gb of ram, not 2gb.
the 32bit limit is 3gb, even if you have 4gb, only 3gb will be used, but that is not
windows's problem, it's a problem of the architecture, if you want to use 4gb or more
ram, get 64bit windows.
my 3512mb are available under windows
at smith agent smith
your allegation of "vista 64bit is garbage" comes from
personal experience?
most ppl that flame fud on vista in general, have never
even run the system. it sounds like in this case, you haven't tried out 64bit vista in
the first place.
i've been running 64bit vista for the past six months without
a single marjor issue, with 4gb of ram. everything works, including all 32bit legacy apps
i've tried so far. all games run smoothly.
only stuff you need to run as
native 64bit, is kernel stuff like drivers, (no major driver issues so far) firewalls and
av (no reason to use 3rd party firewall, vista's fw rocks. even the outbound config is
very efficient)
no single bsod w/ 8800gts. there are ways around the driver
signing, such as the bcdedit and gpedit tricks. i can oc my card just fine with rivatuner.
there's no reason not to go 64bit if you want to do heavy multitasking, leave
some x264 encode running on the backround while firing up a game for leisure. no need to
close up apps and sessions to free up ram. all of this runs smooth as babys behind
(meaning u pack at least a dualcore cpu)
i use 512mb ram on vista ultimate 32bit build 6000 and i can play hl2 with all graphics
and filters at full setting
my huge f-ucking ass can you, why do people like you have to sit here and lie all the
time? have you no life?
go daddy go! give 'em fire :-)
32 bit can use 4gig of ram. your video card takes up the top part of ram so reduce the
size from 512mb for example down to 32mb and you use more ram for the os instead of
wasting it on video card swap space. give that a try peterthefly and report back how much
windows says you have.
u need lots of ram for gaming at least 3 gig these days an 8800 gtx or a 7950gt video
cards with the dual core processer and vista 64 bit to get the hd gaming dump asses
u need a system rating of at least 5 to play hd games i have a rateing of 5.9
2x1gb + 2x512mb = 3gb dual channel.
and it works!
there is now way in hell to
make it show or use 4gb!
i have ran vista premium 32 bit and it will only read "3582" out of my 4 gig.
downgraded back to xp pro because vista is sorry, still only read 3582.
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Err... How about gamers???
By Gamer on 14.08.2007 - 05:08