Windows Vista: I’m Breaking up with You
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Tip: Click here to update all your PC's outdated driversNo, seriously. When I know I have time, I’m “upgrading” from Windows Vista to Windows XP.
I stand by my original assertion that the shipping version of this OS is late beta, at best. I realize that other enthusiasts are leaving Windows altogether (and leaping instead to Apple’s OS X), but there’s not yet enough momentum behind my willingness to do that. I’ll leave the installs of Vista 32 and 64 on this PC, but I’ll spend most (if not all) of my time back in tried-and-true Windows XP.
I’ll give Vista a second chance when the first service pack is released later this year, but until then…
1. My scanner doesn’t really work (Hewlett-Packard Laserjet 3052). HP hasn’t caught up with support yet, and software updates won’t be available until SP1 time-frame. The software works like a charm in XP - amazingly well, as a matter of fact.
2. Windows Movie Maker crashes on a regular basis.
3. My IPFax software doesn’t work (the driver will likely never be updated to be Vista-compliant). Never, EVER caused me a problem in XP. I need this software to work, and dual-booting to use this is not an option.
4. I still can’t get my Lifecam to work, but wound up purchasing the vastly superior Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision (puts Microsoft’s new webcam software AND hardware to shame).
5. On the same machine (AMD Quad FX), XP trumps Vista in terms of performance. I don’t have specific benchmarks on hand, but I can tell you the difference is quite palpable. This is even with most of Vista’s eye candy tuned to a dull roar. We’ll see if it runs just as quickly when everything’s reinstalled there. I only discovered this after rebooting to try my scanner in XP - blazing differences, similar tasks.
6. NVIDIA chipsets and video cards. Need I say more?
7. I simply can’t get to my OS X from Vista (or mount a WebDAV server).
8. Copernic Desktop Search, a far superior desktop search client, either doesn’t like Vista or Outlook 2007 - not sure which, yet. Either way, I can’t run it right now - and the Windows Desktop Search tool is still as lame as ever (sorry, Brandon). I’ll miss the new Start Menu, but I think there’s similar third-party software that’ll keep me happy in the meanwhile.
9. Explorer keeps losing my view settings. THIS IS DRIVING ME UP THE FARKING WALL! Now, I realize that XP suffers from this problem as well, but it’s never been this bad. There are so many new options that it’s difficult to reset each window’s view every time - including column headers, which are now permanently stuck on “Tags” and “Date Taken” (even though I may not be in a folder applicable to these fields).
10. My workaday software still seems to suffer from weird quirks now and again. I really don’t have the time or patience to wait for each developer to catch up just so I can go on living my life. All these little annoyances are starting to add up to one major headache. Instead of detailing each one separately (and extending this list exponentially), I’m just wrapping all of ‘em together into one point.
Sorry, I… I gave Vista a real chance. I just can’t use it as my primary OS anymore. It’s NOT horrible at its core (by any stretch of the imagination). If all of your hardware and software are fully baked, you’re good to go - but that’s not the world I live in. I will continue to recommend Windows Vista for some users, mind you. I wish I could take the best parts of Vista and bring them back with me to XP. I’m still more than willing to help Microsoft improve Windows and get the message out to users, but I simply can’t sacrifice my own time and productivity without benefits in clear sight. I’m begging Microsoft and all of my hardware and software vendors to make Windows better for me. Until then…
The Whoa starts now.
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Comments(29)
i'm not s microsoft fan,and actually dislike them. but chris pirillo is blaming things
that really aren't vista's fault. he should be bitching at the companies that make his
hardware for not putting out drivers for vista.
i still haven't had one problem with vista and i have had it installed since the rtm
came out.
i went back to xp not because of problems just the lack of support. i've not encountered
any serious problems except for creative who will not release vista compliant drivers for
my mp3 player. the reason it's too old but i like the damn thing. my laptop manufacturer
haven't released any compatible drivers or programmes that shipped with xp. so i'll
stick with xp.
i have vista installed, but ouside the eye candy xp is still the best, fastest.
yes. have the same problem....
vista ultimate and explorer keeps losing my
view settings... how can this be?
they do a half ass job on everything, if they listen to people, their products and they
themselves would be liked much more.
it preforms better for me, and every thing of mine works, except my dell printer, but
that is dell's fault. and i have an hp printer that works fine so i have no problem
there. i've used vista 64 since rtm and have had absolutely no problems with it.
i too went back to windows xp in order to get rid of all the problems i had with using
windows vista... vista is only appealing. i wish microsoft had developed xp much further
instead of vista thing.
i too have been running a dual boot system with vista and xp sp2. i started running this
in july with the vista beta2 and ran every iteration until rc2. i bought ultimate on jan.
30 and haven't looked back once. vista is infinitely more stable than xp, runs my sli
configured nvidia cards without a hitch, and definately runs office 2007 and arcview 9.2
faster than xp does. one thing i have noticed is those folks who pirated the software by
downloading the original rtm version and enterprise versions have a lot more problems than
i ever have had. the retail version is great, stable, and fun to use. you folks who
think you can get vista on the cheap (read free) get what you pay for. i have been
programming and working with computers for over 30 years and vista is definately all and
more than it was promised to be.
wow so now linux supports more hardware than vista. how the tables turn... that is
seriously funny because all the windows people laughing at linux for poor hardware
support. i will wait until sp1a before i try vista on my home computer. will stick with xp
and linux until then and maybe after too. :)
i've got both setup on dual boot and running a brand new high spec system (e6400 c2d,
2gb ram, 7600gt) and i can easily say that although vista is fun and 'new' and
different, i tend to always go back to xp in the end just because its smoother to use and
it definitely feels easily as fast as vista if not slightly faster.
the software
support for it also at the moment is far better.
sure vista will be the one everyone
uses in the future, but right now xp is a far better choice for mr joe average.
i have configured and declared my wifi net as private. but everytime vista searches to
determine if the network is public or private. so i have to wait for 5 min so vista to let
me set it again.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamazing.
yup, i have the same problems with vista, companies that haven't updated their drivers
with vista, hardware and software incompatibilities etc. it's always a good thing to have
dual partitions in your hard disc, with xp and vista installed thus getting the best of
both worlds.
whenever i try to print something on vista, office 2007 word the printer page opens up
and takes minutes to connect to my printer and if i dare to change any setting on the
printer it takes ages. in xp this is a matter of seconds.
also in order to
change the background wallpaper u have to go through a lot of bs..
everything
is so confusing and complex and slow.
and why the hell would we need to get a
better computer configuration? what the hell? u do your job right and let vista run on
less ram, less cpu!! even though i've closed a lot of services and closed all the
visuals, it is frigging slow.
i love my xp and went back to it. back to normal!!!
drivers are another issue. drivers take up 2 gigs or more in vista and people
still complain about drivers :)
ow + 10gig of hdd space?? what the hell. who wanted
those stupid movies and pictures and musirc. i have half a tb of hdd but i don't want
vista crap getting into any of it..
that i have to go to slep from the login screen and back up again and login. otherwise
the internetconnection doesn't work. i know that people have problems going from sleep
with no connection but i have the opposite problem. otherwise everything work better than
with xp.
i am pleased with vista as well. sure it still has its problems just like the first
release of xp. but its time to stop crying and move on. example: some of my executables
kept losing its association, okay, how do i resolve this....make problem executables read
only. my point is, a computer is just like any other game. win the game. as for
uncompatible software, apapt. use alternative apps until your favorite catches up.
drivers, i agree with others in the forum, dont blame vista. i've been expermenting with
beta versions of vista since they first started appearing (p2p). there is no excuse for
these sorry bastards not to have been ready for the retail release of vista. i have 2 pcs
with same specs with the exception of the soundcards. no x-fi fatality drivers from
creative(shitty beta only). again, no excuse. still running xp on that pc for this
reason. other pc is running vista ultamate and i must say that i am moving
foward....vista is here to stay.
patience! just have patience.
well, all i can say, is for ppl just starting with pc's that never used one before, i
have notice pick up on vista faster than xp, and have less problems on the internet
(spyware related) but for us main stream ppl i think vista should have gone through more
testing.
i'm only thinking of this as a thought, no real evidence/backround info to back it up
but...
seems to me win2k/winxp basically shared most drivers for add-on(like
usb) devices, win2k started feb 2000 and winxp ends jan 2007
almost 7 years,
for a company to rewrite drivers for all that time, shoot most companies stop making
drivers after 3~5 years after release.
winxp was all about pnp, plug and
play... vista is about hope they still make drivers for this thing(its for security -m$)
i agree with linux has some great driver support(provided by 3rd parties)for
older devices, as many as 1,000 printer drivers rolled into one thats pretty amazing
considering i have to find 6cds that has a driver for a discontinued/unsupported product
(hp/dell/ect) if using windows.
(only use linux as a print/file server, since
its legally free)
i had the same problems when xp first came out.no drivers,not enough tests,incompatible
software,etc.unless you have a new computer or are willing to buy all new harware that's
vista ready,then you should have no problem.i however will not use any version of windows
vista until sp1 comes out or all updates and bugs are worked out.until now with sp2 for xp
out, win xp is better than ever.all i can say is those who are already using vista, just
wait for the updates & fixes that ms will put out someday soon. i'm finally happy with xp
but it's just a matter of time before ms ends support for xp and everybody goes towards
vista for everything.oh well, only time will tell. until then, i recommend staying with
xp...
that drives me nuts as well, but what can i do? programmers needs to be re-educated, i
think. they think you only views photos and videos in your pc, and that dumb...
vista rock
the os has no video hardware accelaration support at all. so remember those hd videos you
play on xp flawlessly? forget them on vista!!! i think ati and nvidia have been trying to
come up with new drivers that will bypass this issue but until now, no good news about
it. even 3d applications run slower on vista. i downloaded the energy screensaver and
loaded it on xp and it runs smooth and it runs slower on vista. i have read in some forums
that users with very fast computers are experiencing the same problems. so why upgrade to
something that will make the things you run normally slower. it doesn't make sense to me.
microsoft and the hardware companies really have to look into that issue. if they are
trying to get us to buy new hardware that's a slap on the face of us consumers.
i mean no dis-respect to those of you with slow computers but you seem to be the only
ones complaining. take the article that started all this for example:
1.
scanner doesn't work, hp......theres his problem right there, he has an hp. i started
with an hp printer, nothing but junk. switched to canon and i love it. works well with
vista.
2. windows movie maker crashes....who would try that shit anyway, what
do you expect from 3rd party freeware. i deleted the icon from my start menu without even
opening the app.
3. my fax software doesen't work......there is a new methoid
out, its called email.
4. i still can't get my lifecam to work....get over it
and go to walmart and buy another.
5. on the same machine (amd quad
fx)....dont say anymore, try intel my friend. those hot running amd's aren't worth a
damn (sorry all you amd users, just calling it like i see it)
6. nvidia chipsets and
video cards. need i say more?......yes you should say more. my nvidia runs sweet on
vista.
8. copernic desktop search......its google, google, google, google.
9. explorer keeps losing my view settings.....now i must say i share your
frustration on this, made me mad as hell. but i adapted (didn't have much choice) and
moved on. it didn't take long to get used to the "list" view and now i'm okay with
it.
sorry, i… i gave vista a real chance.......dont sound to me like you gave
vista a chance at all. vista is not xp and the sooner people realize this the better they
will be off.
i love vista, sure it has its problems but so did xp when it first came out and there
were loads of people moaning then too!
vista is far more stable than xp and so
far i haven't had to reboot or pull the plug due to freezing of the os :-)
sure there are some programs and hardware that don't work but thats called progress!.
these programs will either get updated to run on vista or die and be replaced by better
ones.
its true as someone above said that most people here who complain have
older/slower pc's and printers and so on and should not say vista is slow and crap when
in fact its there hardware!
upgrade your pc and hardware or buy new like
everyone else has had too. i spent over £1000/$1900 upgrading my pc last febuary and i
score 5.9 on all windows scores exept the cpu which is 4.8 and have no problems at all.
i do agree xp seems faster than vista for simple things such as opening and
closing folders and so on but thats about it, vista is dx10 where as xp isn't and there
is going to be games and apps only compatible with visa and so will run smoothly as so
much already does.
so lets stop saying vista is rubbish/garbage when its not
its just your old museum pieces (old pc's) that are not up to the job.
paul
i totally, agree with your points starams5. and yeah, i got used to the list thing,
too...kinda like it now actually...reminds me of the dos days. haha.
one
complaint though that no one has mentioned on this forum: the whole com surrogate error
crap. in case you guys don't know, when viewing divx files in windows explorer, the
previews cause some sort of com surrogate error that is extremely annoying. even with the
divx 6.5.1 update to fix the problem, i still randomly get the error with some other apps.
maybe this may help and maybe it won't. i had a simular problem when i passed my mouse
over avi files some time ago. i would get an error message as well. i traced the problem
to haali splitter. to resolve the issue i went to haali splitter
config/options/interface/and disabled "display error messages". may be you have another
codec thats causing these probems and you can take simular steps to resolve your
problems.....good luck.
starams5
well i see lots of people defending vista and yes, it's prettier, more stable etc. but
if you're gonna relly on computer power just to achieve what xp already does that's
backwards thinking in my opinion. i think they spent years developing this os and i do
have a fairly fast and new computer, all my hardware is vista compatible and i have run
into some issues that i can't live without. so i "imaged it" and upgrade to xp. i will
try vista again when these issues are adressed. for all the vista defenders out there...
if you have to chash out $400 for an os it'd better work flawlessly!
driver compatibility is microsofts fault. the did not have to change their driver model
to create a new os. they could have kept the xp/2000 model and simply created windows
vista around it. (they spent years getting plug & play perfected and then ditch it.)
bottom line: windows vista is microsofts attempt to put the tech market on reset.
rebuy all ne software, all new hardware, new everything.. (yea right.)
i still
love and use windows2000 it never crashes and simply has run soo good, i never upgraded to
vista. when it breaks, i'll go linux. but i'm not simply following the crowd, i need my
pc to actuall *function*, not become a silly 3d graphics show. - i guess people who
upgrade to vista are simply internet browser junkies.
i run a small business
and i'm a software developer.. i don't have time to play silly games with drivers and
compatibility issues. this issues should be solved before the product is marketed.
well i bought a copy of vista ultimate edition about three weeks ago and did a fresh
install on my system. (32-bit 3.2ghz p4 with 2gb ram, 500gb sata2 hd)
i found
quite a few annoyancies after everything was up and running. major gripe was when
transfering a folder with few hundred small files (only couple of megs) to my network
server. this took under a minute in xp but in vista - started estimating the time to
transfer then estimated the time at over 30 minutes!!! (down to about 50kbps) what the
hell!? i tried disabling remote differential compression but this still made no
difference. if you try and transfer one or two large files they copy in an acceptable
time - it's just when you copy a large amount in one go. i do this often because of my
web design line of work. after some research it appears to be linked to new smb2 support
in vista. most server oss are using smb1 and the new vista smb2 screws up when trying to
do downwards compatibility! :-(
another annoyance for me was vista's sound
card driver support. i tried both my motherboard's integrated ac'97 and a dedicated
c-media sound card. both had choppy sound with the latest ms update drivers installed.
so sadly (or gladly in my case) i am going back to xp sp2 which i find to be
fast, stable and reliable.
until they can sort out the problems i won't be
going back to vista. i do like the new gui and features but most of them are just
cosmetic. (and dare i say it - imitate improvements in macos x and linux!)
catch you
later,
andy
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