User reports shipping Vista is different from RTM
section: windows, for your questions: KezNews forum, 1.2.2007
ONE OF our readers already bought Vista OEM from Overclockers. He installed it and got back with a few first impressions. And he reckons that the OEM Vista is not the same as the RTM (release to manufacture) he tried before.
The DVD weighs in at exactly the same 2.49GB but the key activates the version you buy, in his case Vista Home OEM Premium edition. It installs in a respectable 25 minutes on his 3.0GHz Netburst Pentium 4 with 1GB of memory. He used an ATI X550 graphic card, passively cooled and it was able to run Aero well - on par with RTM performance. He reckons that this version is far more stable for him than the RTM he tried before.
The hardware gets automatically detected, at least most of it and our lad, Darren Powell of Manchester ,was impressed with the performance of Vista. Mind you he says, "After all, until DX10 hits, there is not really that much incentive to leave XP just yet."
Vista OEM Premium box
Overclockers sent out Corsair TurboFlash readyboost key 512MB to the lads who were kind enough to preorder the stuff. Unfortunately 512MB of USB memory doesn't boost performance that much.
You have to thank Darren for the experience and the pictures, as Microsoft still won't let me fiddle with Vista.
Vista OEM Premium CD, with new PCs only if you are not Overclockers
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Show all comments can anyone else here who purchased vista do a file comparison of the two versions, i think we would all be
interested to know what if anything has changed. thanks
if this is the case then im sure microsoft have probably delt with most of the existing cracks ...so it looks
like if this is true crackers will have to go back to the drawing board and find a new method...can you upload
a torrent for us to check of the iso?
i'm sorry, but that is not enough proof that the rtm version and the shipping retail versions are any
different. his claim of "reckons that this version is far more stable for him" does not hold much merit as
well as "was impressed with the performance of vista". was rtm never stable or fast? also, "the hardware
gets automatically detected" - well this is exactly the same in rtm or a shipping version.
and lol
at retailers selling these marketing ploys at faster vista performance with their flash drivers. real world
performance will show you that the difference is very marginal, and with a measly 512mb stick, even less so. i
hope you didn't pay a premium price for that stick because of it being labeled a "vista booster".
hi i originally downloaded bill gates release and then patched it to the final msdn version. the sha1 hash #
is b71e04564ca22e4d9928e59298eff87cf62b382b. i have just purchased windows ultimate oem and this has exactly
the same hash check. just thought i would let you guys know. what was meant by the copy being activated
already. the only reason i can think is when the serial is put in when installing the person has not unticked
the option to activate windows as soon as they are online box? or am i wrong??
rtm went to manufacturers such as dell. dell and its customers would be very unhappy if their software,
given to them ahead of time so that vista systems could be ready by jan. 30th, was 'not as good as' the
retail version.
plus it takes lot of time just to stamp all those dvds and packaging together.
they didn't have time to change the code as well.
i'm sure rtm and retail are exactly the same.
rtm (msdn) and retail versions are different.. i have compared retail x86 files to rtm x86.. every files is
same, except one ! the 2.x gb file on the dvd.. same with x64.. bu ti can assure you, only new drivers got
added.. may be helpful, may not be helpful.. keep in mind, every driver is also downloadable somewhere on the
net.. so you can stick with msdn release if you want
wuuuhuuuhu, the rtm was the biggest
that story is horse..it!! rubbish!!
performance is the same, and it depends solely on peripheral
drivers, nothing more. i'm a happy man, with a free vista ultimate!!
whatever they say is just to
scare and make us pay bucks for the same stuff!
what is the dvd label of the box retail? also does it change with the version you have or are all versions
the same?
the msdn label was lrmcfre_en_dvd. i don't know what that means though.
the
size of the msdn is 2,678,614,016 bytes. that is 2.49gb
i used rtm for 3 months. with this version i got many small buggs (dummy files, full bin, etc.
be4 that,
i used vista since rc1, downloaded every single build.
now i just installed retail build and yes it
is different. the shitty bugs have disappeared, and im 100 percent sure other things have been changed :
ex : in folder options, ive got the thumbnail thingy at first.
i have still some drivers issues but
w/e
does anybody have a link to vista retail on bit torrent? any help is appreciated...
i would like to know the build number for vista retail?
the build is the same i think.
i also would like to get a retail box download. i guess it doesn't
matter what version because all the dvd's are the same. it's the key that determines what gets installed.
correct?
maybe newsgroups will have it soon. anyone know?
you must have bugs in the machine, try using the hose and wash out the tower..
no difference at all,
trust you....
anyone want to put up an oem version download????
i would be very thankfull if somebody post a oem torrent. please.please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have access to ms technet and can download all os . the vista editions there are exactly the same as retail
in stores - here are the checksums (other languages have different sums, here for us and uk :
vista
x86 english dvd
en_windows_vista_x86_dvd_x12-34293.iso
, 2555 mb
sha-1-hash
b71e04564ca22e4d9928e59298eff87cf62b382b
vista x64 dvd english
en_windows_vista_x64_dvd_x12-40712.iso
, 3621 mb
sha-1-hash
04671ce6713921983ff23ab9fc3e7a9280712b94
vista x86 - 5 cd set - english :
cd1
en_windows_vista_x86_cd1_x12-54426.iso
608 mb
sha-1-hash
ad18eb2e892c445475057c61307cf5f5706d7eb1
cd2
en_windows_vista_x86_cd2_x12-54427.iso
640mb
sha-1-hash
09d21f524cc3d091a04d0d1e8b0c61d35d6f9ce7
cd3
en_windows_vista_x86_cd3_x12-54428.iso
640 mb
sha-1-hash
627c07c6b08ebb0a4496a82f09fb51e2bd79ed88
cd4
en_windows_vista_x86_cd4_x12-54429.iso
637 mb
sha-1-hash
5a923779efa19530067d0c673f35f4f3823e66d2
cd5
en_windows_vista_x86_cd5_x12-54430.iso
20 mb
sha-1-hash
5b3d82cfae3b1ccc80c4f1c9eec4e582186a1f9b
retail / boxed or oem / all what you can buy now will be
exactly these sums if it is english language.
i know this guy .....does he live in clayton-manchester!
when i first installed rtm
just watch this ss : is it identical to rtm?
and yes the build number is the
same, but the size isn't.
windows vista x86 ultimate retail dvd
sha1sum: 5ecd1b7c296bee774957d36dd230dc7bdbae3b02
this
copy is exactly the retail version,that someone added at demonoid.com.
and other detail infomation,click
link below:
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/901251/775222/
the rtm should be bigger because you get the choice of any vista windows system. it has them all and you
choose. the retail won't...makes sense
i thought all the dvd's were that same in content, other than the packaging and the labels on the dvd. it's
the key that determines what version gets installed.
the only thing that will convence me that they are diferent is the build!!!
build???
some of you guys act like scared sheep.
sorry to be honest but it's true.
it just takes one
little guy saying blah blah because he payed for a retail vista and then some of you start jumping like scared
monkey trying to find the torrent to the retail vista.
they've just installed vista in some of the
computers in the company i work for and i've been playing with it for a day so far.
i can
guarantee you hands down that there is not even one difference between a payed version and the rtm you got
from bill gates or msdn. it's the same exact buggy thing.
whatever you've heard is just to scare
you or play doodoo.
seriously
stop this sh.t!!
ok here is your retail, but it's the same exact thing.
http://rapidshare.com/files/12879219/vistaatsivmrt.part01.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12881149/vistaatsivmrt.part02.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12883226/vistaatsivmrt.part03.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12885096/vistaatsivmrt.part04.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12887136/vistaatsivmrt.part05.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12889523/vistaatsivmrt.part06.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12892033/vistaatsivmrt.part07.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12894320/vistaatsivmrt.part08.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12896616/vistaatsivmrt.part09.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12898535/vistaatsivmrt.part10.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12900770/vistaatsivmrt.part11.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12903314/vistaatsivmrt.part12.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12905435/vistaatsivmrt.part13.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12907571/vistaatsivmrt.part14.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12909737/vistaatsivmrt.part15.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12911720/vistaatsivmrt.part16.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12913680/vistaatsivmrt.part17.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12915645/vistaatsivmrt.part18.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12917532/vistaatsivmrt.part19.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12919362/vistaatsivmrt.part20.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12921177/vistaatsivmrt.part21.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12922984/vistaatsivmrt.part22.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12924709/vistaatsivmrt.part23.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12926394/vistaatsivmrt.part24.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/12926578/vistaatsivmrt.part25.rar.html
so this is the oem and not rtm download right?
can't you read ?!
there is only one vista system - rtm/retail/oem from november 12 until the new
manufactured disks :
it is all the same !!!
ms has not put a single "update" or
"hotfix" or "goodies" in the vistas - what you buy now is the same what is on torrent for weeks.
and yes, there is only one damn dvd ( the 5 cds is the dvd just splitted into bootable parts ) - it has
all editions on it, except enterprise edition ( which is ultimate minus mediastuff ) ...
fools will
download now the same disk they already have ..
so many people denying they're different... you gotta admit it smells fishy!
theres gotta be somethin different........maybe they added in more drivers????......i think keznews needs to
do a comparison
rtm is the same as what you buy on the shelf. if you need more proof then you're not a very bright person.
go ahead and buy it or redownload what you already have and waste another dvd.
in the
mean time i'll keep using rtm while you are reloading the same thing you just took off your hard drive.
that last comment reeks of "i'm attempting the best i can to discourage you in a
not-so-subtle-but-trying-anyway way".
"waste another dvd"... boo-hoo! i'll mourn the loss of
the 2 quarters it costs me!
and the sudden wave of people getting actually mad when
denying/arguing/attempting to cover all of this up just makes it all more suspicious.
so yeah,
i'll waste another dvd, i'll waste time installing it, and you'll waste time responding the same old sh*t.
but i'd rather be sure than skeptical.
does the oem have the same ability to install with no cd key?
i said it once and i'll say it again
stop this sh.t!!
just friggin rumors and the weak
sheep just go bananas to get the 2.53gb dvd.
i bet the extra 4 gigs are just malware and viruses
and some of you are buying this plot.
stop this sh.t!!
could someone please take a high quality, good lighting, no reflections pic of the vista ultimate full dvd
and upload it for everyone so they can print a pretty dvd
thanks
i tried to ask on demonoid
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/901251/775222/
if they would
upload a picture but i am not a member so i can't comment, would someone that is a member please ask for the
high quality pic?
y'know oscar, you remind me of those riaa/mpaa/spa spammers on thepiratebay... getting just as angry as them
trying to discourage people.
funny stuff...
i agree it would make little sense that they changed the retail from the rtm. however, when i installed the
swedish retail version a week or so before official release, it felt a bit different. it had all updates
already, which i find strange. i didn't have internet plugged in when installing (used stoptimer on one
machine and legal msdn:aa on one) and since, unlike xp, the localised versions of vista are just the english
ones with a full mui-pack to translate everything. that means the updates are exactly the same. still, the
oldest updates were already on there and they doesn't show up in the list of updates installed. this is just
an observation from the localised retail version. the english one is probably the same as rtm, otherwise
window updates will probably fix that.
i agree with tim. keznews needs to do a comparison to stop this once and for all
is there any difference in the boot screen between the retail and rtm? any kind of feedback is greatly
appreciated...
i used a key from a shop version and i have activated a home premium version , only had to use the phone to
activate it , go for it
if you check the 2000+ message demonoid torrent thread, you'll see that the person posted a md5 sum of the
contents of his retail. if you run that like he suggests in ultraiso on a rtm, you'll get a exact match.
neither image has more files than the other. so... if his is a real retail, then it is exactly the same as
rtm.
i reinstalled vista with demenoid. same thing, i used ccleaner and it detected the same registry errors. yea
100% its the same thing.
to all unbelievers !
like i said before i have via ms-technet direct subscription access to all
new ms products, yes to the retail ones, including vista and ms i friendly enough to tell us the filesizes and
hashes to avoid corrupted downloads - the editions i can download are in fact the absolute same as in stores -
and here is the evidence i am talking no shit :
would you plz have a look at this screenie from ms
vista download page - there you can see the filesize and hash:
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9406/englishdvdre6.jpg
now compare these values to the rtm or
oem editions of your pirated ones and you will see they are the same.
what is the dvd label? is it the same as the rtm? someone must know.
you mean the name of the dvd what windows says after you insert it ?
lrmcfre_en for english
lrmcfre_de for german
lrmcfre_nl for dutch
lrmcfre_gr for greek
and so
on..
in rtm, i got option for multiple version of vista to install. if it's 100% identical, then there should be
no file size diff... and retail would also give you option to install ultimate (just that the key won't work
later).... is that the case?
then...
stop this shit!!! no... really please.
stop this nonsense. rtm is the same.
now please close this thread, it drives me nuts. lol!!
i recently had the misfortune of installing and encountering ‘bullseye’
rogurremover installed these
files. when i attempted to perform the usual remove program,
bullseye had the audacity to make me take a
survey before it would go away.
attempts to circumvent the survey elicited admonishments from diabolical
bullseye.
one question asked what one would consider a reasonable number of pop-up ads one should
receive in a month-of course ‘zero’ was not an option. these demons no, i shouldn’t insult demons
with
these people-who write and distribute rogueremover with bullseye need to be gored and stomped by a bull!
i just got an upgrade vista home premium sent to me by acer for my new laptop , i never used the disc
supplied . i used the rtm that i download many weeks ago and used the key that was supplied with with home
premium upgrade and it installed with no problems .
so yeah the rtm is real and is the same as the
retails :)
so the label is also the same. btw what does lrmcfre stand for?
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Verify???
By The CAT on 01.02.2007 - 22:02